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Post by rosa on Apr 8, 2009 19:19:10 GMT -7
but...I'm kind of miffed at the bishops these days....and working on forgiveness there too ;D just kidding....if you can post it, that would be great Web, I hope you'll kick in whenever you want to.....the Catholics are taking over again.... just kidding...okay, I'll stop now
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Post by webrunner on Apr 9, 2009 23:48:20 GMT -7
Rosa, I'm just happy that one of the threads I started here finally caught fire. Another favorite of mine from the book of Matthew. 54 Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!" Matthew 27:54 bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Matthew
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Post by badlygiven on Apr 10, 2009 12:28:42 GMT -7
I had to pull my prior postings down due to shame. I thought this was a "private" board...only to be informed later that I disagreeumption was wrong! I can't really talk about God and stuff without making it personal. I hardly understand religion as it is...and discussing it "in theory" is way way way way over my head. Brownfield, the way we "expereince" God IS deeply personal...no two people can have the same experience. To a certain extent, on here, we share those experiences, both good and bad, with a certain degree of respect...however, to share or not share is a personal experience in itself... Now the way we "practice" faith is where the community comes in...those different communities that exist throughout the world...those are the ones that sometimes decide that only their way is the right way...I have come to the conclusion that for me, practicing my faith this way, helps me in my "expiriencing" God...but that is my journey...
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Post by webrunner on Apr 10, 2009 15:46:33 GMT -7
I had to pull my prior postings down due to shame. I thought this was a "private" board...only to be informed later that I disagreeumption was wrong! I can't really talk about God and stuff without making it personal. I hardly understand religion as it is...and discussing it "in theory" is way way way way over my head. Too funny. The on-board censors here edited the "as*s" out of "as*sumption" and replaced it with "disagree" thus creating the new word disagreeumption. Think I'll start using that. ;D Brown, welcome back.
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 10, 2009 17:13:05 GMT -7
In my experience I get more out of sharing than not. I understand that this is an open board so as such there are plenty of folks who are taking notes for their latest cocktail party gossip. Not that I care really. I will never be a public figure. My only concern is for my family. They know about my past..but I doubt they would want to hear the elites making fun of it. I can assure you PMs are not monitored, so use that function when you wish
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Post by rosa on Apr 10, 2009 17:31:38 GMT -7
thank you webrunner...I sat there, looking at that word in his post, thinking "huh?" you filled in the blank ;D
this is a public board, thinking and discussing in terms that are more general is okay, and if someone wants to keep it close to the chest, I think that's okay too
I'm just here to pick on Badly anyway.....;D
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Post by webrunner on Apr 10, 2009 17:53:18 GMT -7
thank you webrunner...I sat there, looking at that word in his post, thinking "huh?" you filled in the blank ;D this is a public board, thinking and discussing in terms that are more general is okay, and if someone wants to keep it close to the chest, I think that's okay too I'm just here to pick on Badly anyway.....;D I'm used to being censored so I'm fluent in the language.
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Post by rosa on Apr 11, 2009 4:43:02 GMT -7
One of the things I have been wondering a little about (my kids and I got a kick out of you guys not saying much about our new hero, Ceiling Cat, and what I do is read the real passage to them from the bible first, then we go "cat" ) the differences between faiths, where they come together. This being Easter, I wonder if one of you can help: I've been to other services before and being most familiar with Catholicism, I'm wondering...what Protestant faiths teach us....how do they compare? not in terms of "better"/"worse", of course, but in terms of "different". For example, in the Baptist/Methodist/Lutheran traditions, do they walk the Stations as Catholics do? How are the services at Easter different? I've always been curious about these things, and I've gotten some answers but I've often noticed that people get to bickering about differences there instead of celebrating the diversity
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Post by rosa on Apr 11, 2009 4:50:32 GMT -7
Holy Saturday
suspended between death and resurrection....
I was raised to know this as one of the most important days of the year, we prepare for His resurrection and its coming light. The lessons of salvation
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Post by webrunner on Apr 11, 2009 13:39:57 GMT -7
One of the things I have been wondering a little about (my kids and I got a kick out of you guys not saying much about our new hero, Ceiling Cat, and what I do is read the real passage to them from the bible first, then we go "cat" ) the differences between faiths, where they come together. This being Easter, I wonder if one of you can help: I've been to other services before and being most familiar with Catholicism, I'm wondering...what Protestant faiths teach us....how do they compare? not in terms of "better"/"worse", of course, but in terms of "different". For example, in the Baptist/Methodist/Lutheran traditions, do they walk the Stations as Catholics do? How are the services at Easter different? I've always been curious about these things, and I've gotten some answers but I've often noticed that people get to bickering about differences there instead of celebrating the diversity The celebration of Easter (or Resurrection Sunday as one church I to went called it) is as diverse the church itself. I've been to a number of types of churches so I'll speak to my own experiences. Lutheran services are similar, I think, to Catholic Mass (yes, I have been). Very ordered. Now Methodist churches are actually pretty diverse. The last service I went to at a Methodist church had praise and worship much like I've seen at more charismatic churches, yet the service itself was pretty, ah, conservative (not sure this is the best word but I'm at a loss right now for a better one). Okay, Rosa, you asked about Easter specifically so I'll talk about the two types of churches I'm most familiar with. Baptist and Charismatic. Both are pretty similar actually. Lots of musical praise and maybe even some clapping and/or raised hands (I know, I'm making folks cringe probably) and, for Easter probably a performance or a video, like I posted earlier or like this one . www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5u7UuzDyc(sorry the embed didn't work on that one) Baptists and Charismatic sermons are Bible based. Taking a verse of scripture and preaching about it and how it still applies today. Also on Easter Sunday, communion. The Lord's Supper 23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. 27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. 1 Corinthians 11:23-29 bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1+Corinthians+11&version1=49So I could go into a church I've never been before on a Sunday that they're celebrating communion and, providing I search my own heart, recognize my own sinfulness and do it in remembrance of Him, I would be welcome to participate. I hope I've answered your question.
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Post by rosa on Apr 12, 2009 18:00:19 GMT -7
Yes, you did Web and it reminded me about the rituals again. But even in this, it sounds like we have much in common, really. The solemnity of the Catholic rituals, in my opinion, doesn't take from the other faiths and how they praise, and so I wouldn't think of cringing! Theirs are just as sacred and pure. I'm quoting from an email I got this morning: today at 7, the last of the oficio de lectura y laudes, which began on holy thursday - the laudes being the chanting of psalms by the franciscan seminarians after the reading of selected biblical (not the lol cat variety) passages. the laudes are chanted in the ancient. manner, no harmony - really beautiful. the altar has been stripped, no flowers, to dignify the absence of the lord. tonight, the solemn pascual vigil at 8, the blessing of the new fire, the lighting of the paschal candle, the blessing of the baptismal water, the reading of the ancient prophecies, the litanies, the renewal of the baptismal vows (the way catholics are born again), the mixing of the oil and water, then the solemn mass of the vigil, everyone holding candles, and ending with the beautiful psalm 150:
praise the lord in his holy places, praise ye him in the firmament of his power.
praise ye him according to the multitude of his greatness.
praise him with sound of trumpets: praise him with psaltery and harp.
praise him with timbrel and choir: praise him with strings and organs.
praise him on high sounding cymbals of joy. let every spirit praise the lord.
resurrexi, et adhuc tecum sum, alleluia.
i arose, and am, still with thee. alleluia.[/color] I got this from a parental unit, who offered forgiveness of my BibleCat infatuation , and was hoping I would see this mass at the seminary. I've been before, it is indeed beautiful and a wonderful reminder of what is arguably the most important time of year. I think I will start looking into attending other services in the future, just to renew my experiences
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Post by webrunner on Apr 12, 2009 19:46:44 GMT -7
Be happy to take you to a Baptist service. ;D
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Post by badlygiven on Apr 12, 2009 19:55:01 GMT -7
I think ritual misunderstood, or not understood can be "empty" in a way...but if you understand the ritual, it's roots, and it's meaning, it can illuminate things so beautifully...
Yes, Web my friend, we are "scripted" in a way...but it is that sense of commonality, that sense of things being "done the same" that makes me feel a spiritual thread running through me that runs through the rest of the world...knowing that I can go into any RC church, anywhewre in the world, and know "what is going on" because the Mass is so consistent...
Please my friend, don't adjust your comments...It is in the perspective of others that we can see a true reflection of ourselves ...and our faith...
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Post by webrunner on Apr 12, 2009 20:13:33 GMT -7
Ahhh, caught that did you? I'm not here to ride you, Badly. I didn't want you to think that. I know you're right about rituals. I think it's kind of like the Lord's prayer. Once you memorize it, sometimes the tendency is to "mindlessly" repeat it. But if you focus on it, really pay attention to the words and what they mean, then there's nothing wrong with memorization and repetition. In your thread about the Stations of the Cross, I can see the value in the quiet contemplation of something that is ultimately so familiar.
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Post by rosa on Apr 13, 2009 7:54:48 GMT -7
which is precisely why I can see the two ends of this issue....I was joking with family yesterday because in still praying the "old" rosary, they feel I'm missing out. On what, exactly....something the Pope decided was new to consider? That's about as "open" as I can be about it I pray the "old" one because adding mysteries to me is kind of like asking me to do what I already do...making the list longer won't change my intentions, my devotion....or the meditative effects it has on me. It won't increase or lessen my faith. It's a change. One I do not adopt, like trying to keep up with the way the little old ladies do it when someone dies most gals of a certain generation around here pray it as though they are running a race and I refuse to keep pace. I will pray on my time and I don't care if they get done before I do or not. When I pray for a departed soul, I don't want to be punching a clock just to "keep up" and Web, I'll get together with you on a good time to go. Thank you for the invitation.
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