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Post by webrunner on May 4, 2009 21:17:35 GMT -7
The Principal And The Paddle One South Carolina educator used corporal punishment to turn around his struggling elementary school. Why he's so conflicted about it. www.newsweek.com/id/195119
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Post by rosa on May 5, 2009 7:23:38 GMT -7
The article talks some about the positive rewards for good behavior. It doesn't go into much detail about what other steps are taken to enforce discipline before kids are sent to the office...and it says that he talks to them first and that this often works. I was scared to bring home bad notes from school as a kid. What I got at home on those rare occasions when I did was far worse than anything a paddle could have done to me at school there was no need for a permission slip requesting the right to hit me if I misbehaved But then again, most of the teachers I had didn't seem to have that much trouble controlling the rowdy bunch
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Post by matthew on May 5, 2009 8:09:47 GMT -7
no
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Post by webrunner on May 5, 2009 9:02:10 GMT -7
Actually it seems kind of hard to argue with success. The article says that referral's to the principal's office are down 80%. I bet just the threat of being sent there is enough by itself to deter bad behavior. I had to laugh where it said that some parents opt to do the spanking themselves and bring with them their own belts. I could so easily see my parents doing that.
Rosa, I'm with you on the fearing the parents thing. For me growing up, if I was in trouble at school, I was in more trouble at home. There was none of this taking the kids' side over the teachers' (those were the days). There's nothing wrong with a swat on the butt. You know, spare the rod and all that.
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Post by rosa on May 5, 2009 10:01:51 GMT -7
yeah, but corporal punishment in the schools bothers me Web
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Post by webrunner on May 5, 2009 10:32:27 GMT -7
Even if it's done with the parents consent?
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Post by rosa on May 5, 2009 12:35:49 GMT -7
especially then
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Post by webrunner on May 5, 2009 12:52:11 GMT -7
Why? What bothers you about corporal punishment in school? I think it's when schools got away from it entirely that discipline broke down and the kids gained control of the classroom instead of the teachers.
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Post by Tim Collins on May 5, 2009 14:51:24 GMT -7
Actually it seems kind of hard to argue with success. The article says that referral's to the principal's office are down 80%. I bet just the threat of being sent there is enough by itself to deter bad behavior.
Or it could be that a silent percentage of teachers are opposed to corporeal punishment and have simply stopped sending students to the principal's office
I had to laugh where it said that some parents opt to do the spanking themselves and bring with them their own belts. I could so easily see my parents doing that.
Not mine - they trusted the nuns to be tougher on me, or would find it more convenient to let me take the whacks at school and a second helping at home.
Rosa, I'm with you on the fearing the parents thing. For me growing up, if I was in trouble at school, I was in more trouble at home. There was none of this taking the kids' side over the teachers' (those were the days). There's nothing wrong with a swat on the butt. You know, spare the rod and all that.
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Post by Tim Collins on May 5, 2009 14:53:47 GMT -7
Matthew a man of few words. Tim a man suffering from verbosity, so... NO meaning you are against this punishment. or NO meaning you are answering the question that names this thread i.e. "Is Spanking the answer for struggling schools?
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Post by matthew on May 5, 2009 15:32:03 GMT -7
No originally to the thread title; I hadn't read the article. After reading the article, I don't think you can make a solid argument that beating children improved this school; there are far too many confounding variables.
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Post by webrunner on May 5, 2009 15:44:43 GMT -7
Actually it seems kind of hard to argue with success. The article says that referral's to the principal's office are down 80%. I bet just the threat of being sent there is enough by itself to deter bad behavior.
Or it could be that a silent percentage of teachers are opposed to corporeal punishment and have simply stopped sending students to the principal's office Speculation, Snil. Spanking is a deterrent in a way that detention, etc. just aren't.
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Post by webrunner on May 5, 2009 15:50:21 GMT -7
No originally to the thread title; I hadn't read the article. After reading the article, I don't think you can make a solid argument that beating children improved this school. And yet, that's just what this article (in Newsweek, no less) does. BTW, paddling/spanking not the same as beating.
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Post by Tim Collins on May 5, 2009 15:52:30 GMT -7
Actually it seems kind of hard to argue with success. The article says that referral's to the principal's office are down 80%. I bet just the threat of being sent there is enough by itself to deter bad behavior.
Or it could be that a silent percentage of teachers are opposed to corporeal punishment and have simply stopped sending students to the principal's office Speculation, Snil. Spanking is a deterrent in a way that detention, etc. just aren't. Or is it also speculation that the spanking caused the reduction? All it says is "that referral's to the principal's office are down 80%." statistically speaking we are not given enough data to definitively state the cause of the reduction, all we have is a casual, not necessarily a causal relationship. By the way I am just yanking your chain over statistical validity versus vernacular usage.
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Post by matthew on May 5, 2009 17:51:27 GMT -7
And the Newsweek writer could have argued that is was quicker discipline that improved the school. Or a more active administrator. Or pizza. Or less missed class time. Or stricter hallway rules. Or more parent involvement. Or improved technology. Or praise. Or pageants.
But none of those articles would have sold to Newsweek readers. So the author quotes a teacher who wasn't even there when the new administrator took over and began making changes. That way the Newsweek reader can post the article to his favorite forum and use it to justify their already formed belief that whatever euphemism for beating children he cares to use works.
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