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Post by rosa on Jul 12, 2009 19:22:51 GMT -7
I don't care what folks think they're entitled to. Even a hard worker is not necessarily "entitled" to a profit. A person who works hard should probably be paid what they earn. Profit is different in that it's generated income and yes, I think folks that take the risks inherrent in a free market should also be allowed to profit, in grand fashion even. So no, I don't believe in putting caps on or "redistributing" profit created by enterprising and innovative folks like Bill Gates and even including the Hiltons no matter how much you may disagree with their behavior. I have a question: what if they acquired this "profit" dishonestly, or off the backs of the economically disadvantaged, or the disabled?
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Post by rosa on Jul 12, 2009 19:37:52 GMT -7
I've been enjoying this thread...ah, the good ol' days....I worked at a Whataburger and at a pizza joint, and we got all kinds, especially after last call and I'm sorry to say this but there were actually times when people were and could be "uglier"...more rude...there were personality types that were more stereotypical and needed a lighter touch in order to deal with them, but they weren't always located on one side of town or the other and I have to say that some of the dumbest people I ever met in my life, bar none, were the "educated" types and as much as I hate being around sexist pigs, some of the funniest, most creative guys I ever worked with were at a pizza joint....they didn't mess with me, I didn't mess with them and they did not mess with the girls who gave as good as they got one of the dumbest, craziest, funniest nights I remember was when a co-worker sang "Oh Mandy", a-la Bob Dylan in time to what ended up being a miserably stupid effort to run an angel food cake through the oven when we were short on drivers because someone had called in sick and two guys were out on runs w/"flat tires" (driver code for: I'm gonna stay here and "do" this chick, don't wait up) oh my GOD the crap that these twits used to do....
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Post by webrunner on Jul 13, 2009 12:35:23 GMT -7
I don't care what folks think they're entitled to. Even a hard worker is not necessarily "entitled" to a profit. A person who works hard should probably be paid what they earn. Profit is different in that it's generated income and yes, I think folks that take the risks inherrent in a free market should also be allowed to profit, in grand fashion even. So no, I don't believe in putting caps on or "redistributing" profit created by enterprising and innovative folks like Bill Gates and even including the Hiltons no matter how much you may disagree with their behavior. I have a question: what if they acquired this "profit" dishonestly, or off the backs of the economically disadvantaged, or the disabled? This sounds like the government. ;D Seriously, I would need you to define for me what you mean by acquiring profit off "the backs of" the folks you mentioned. I mean, are we talking about opening a liquor store in a poor neighborhood, paying some kid in the Philipines 4 cents an hour to make Nikes (I shouldn't pick on Nike, I'm actually a fan of the brand) or a boss suggesting strongly that you need come in this weekend? I mean, there's exploitation and there's exploitation. Businesses are not in business to "care" they are in it for the money (which is fine by me, I don't need Ray Ban, Chevron or Honda to care about me. I just need them to make good decisions in their desire to keep me as a customer). That's the sole purpose of their existance. There's nothing inherently immoral about that. Now, if businesses are taxed and penalized out of existance what good does that do the economically disadvantaged and the disabled?
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Post by webrunner on Jul 13, 2009 12:39:39 GMT -7
BTW Rosa and Badly, don't think I'm unaware of the difficulties of the stance I've chosen in this thread. I'm actually defending a most unsympathic group; the affluent.
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Post by badlygiven on Jul 13, 2009 13:03:51 GMT -7
I have a question: what if they acquired this "profit" dishonestly, or off the backs of the economically disadvantaged, or the disabled? This sounds like the government. ;D Seriously, I would need you to define for me what you mean by acquiring profit off "the backs of" the folks you mentioned. I mean, are we talking about opening a liquor store in a poor neighborhood, paying some kid in the Philipines 4 cents an hour to make Nikes (I shouldn't pick on Nike, I'm actually a fan of the brand) or a boss suggesting strongly that you need come in this weekend? I mean, there's exploitation and there's exploitation. Businesses are not in business to "care" they are in it for the money (which is fine by me, I don't need Ray Ban, Chevron or Honda to care about me. I just need them to make good decisions in their desire to keep me as a customer). That's the sole purpose of their existance. There's nothing inherently immoral about that. Now, if businesses are taxed and penalized out of existance what good does that do the economically disadvantaged and the disabled? Ahhh..but you get what you pay for... When companies took care of their employees, it showed in the work that they did. There was more pride in the work that was done, in the products put out by that company. There is no longer that pride. Now it's "look out for myself, screw everyone else", and we see that in the auto industry. The union guys get money, but they have no heart...no one does. And that hurts profit more than paying low wages. You don't have to pay a lot of money to you rpeople, you just have to care about them, step up when they need you to step up...otherwise, you're nothing but a Ferengi... ;D
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Post by webrunner on Jul 13, 2009 15:12:45 GMT -7
First of all and most importantly the only real Star Trek is the classic Star Trek so I don't recognize the Ferengi.
Second, Badly, I disagree with what you said about the quality of products being produced now. Using the examples I've used already, Nike shoes and Ray Ban's last forever (providing, of course, you don't throw 'em under a bus or something).
As far as my employer goes, again, I don't want 'em to care about me. I don't need or want a nanny. Business is business.
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Post by Tim Collins on Jul 13, 2009 15:31:49 GMT -7
First of all and most importantly the only real Star Trek is the classic Star Trek so I don't recognize the Ferengi. . Ferengi's rule! Gold Pressed Lathium - who needs anything else. You only recognize the original star trek because that buble gum sci-fi "Star Wars" corrupted your young mind
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Post by webrunner on Jul 13, 2009 16:45:38 GMT -7
First of all and most importantly the only real Star Trek is the classic Star Trek so I don't recognize the Ferengi. . Ferengi's rule! Gold Pressed Lathium - who needs anything else. You only recognize the original star trek because that buble gum sci-fi "Star Wars" corrupted your young mind Star Wars is not just sci fi, Snil, it's a religion. I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Post by Tim Collins on Jul 13, 2009 16:48:21 GMT -7
Ferengi's rule! Gold Pressed Lathium - who needs anything else. You only recognize the original star trek because that buble gum sci-fi "Star Wars" corrupted your young mind Star Wars is not just sci fi, Snil, it's a religion. I find your lack of faith disturbing. I got your "Force" - Photon Torpedos away !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by webrunner on Aug 3, 2009 20:30:19 GMT -7
This is from John Stossel. I coulda put it in one of the health care reform threads but it also works here given the last minute or two is all about the advantages of a profit driven system. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8cDxLNRkE
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