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Post by Saint on Aug 21, 2013 8:15:00 GMT -7
(Reuters) - Syria's opposition accused President Bashar al-Assad's forces of gassing many hundreds of people - by one report as many as 1,300 - on Wednesday in what would, if confirmed, be the world's worst chemical weapons attack in decades. Western and regional countries called for U.N. chemical weapons investigators - who arrived in Damascus just three days ago - to be urgently dispatched to the scene of one of the deadliest incidents of the two-year-old civil war. Images, including some taken by freelance photographers and supplied to Reuters, showed scores of bodies including of small children, laid out on the floor of a clinic with no visible signs of injuries. www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/21/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE97K0EL20130821------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey Obamanada what about your " Red Line" speech?www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxxwfaIAl_Q.Obama Warns Syria's Assad Chemical Weapons A 'RED Line' . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- once again Obama-nada does nada but run his mouth
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Post by dot on Aug 21, 2013 13:17:30 GMT -7
Egypt isn't a coup, they're just restoring democracy - Syria isn't gassing it's people, they're just recalibrating the oxygen
Nothing to see here
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Post by YadaYadaYada on Aug 21, 2013 15:00:52 GMT -7
Egypt isn't a coup, they're just restoring democracy - Syria isn't gassing it's people, they're just recalibrating the oxygen Nothing to see here LOL!! Relax ladies the allegation has just been made. Only a fool would launch an invasion without confirming chemical weapons first. Besides Saint, its just a bunch of ragheads -- I figure your only complaint is that 1,300 is only a good start. Looks like dot wants Obama to declare the events in Egypt a coup. Doesn't that make her a member of the muslim brotherhood, saint, or are you just going to keep being inconsistent? LOL!!
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Post by dot on Aug 21, 2013 16:03:43 GMT -7
If a tree falls and no one hears it - yadayadayada....
A military coup is still a military coup even if I don't like the dic that got tossed. Obama has picked badly several times so far in Egypt, supporting the Arab Spring, backing the Muslim Brotherhood and then Kerry trying to negotiate with El Baradei instead of Sisi - and Kerry is still trying to negotiate to keep the Muslim Brotherhood in power.
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Post by YadaYadaYada on Aug 21, 2013 16:15:05 GMT -7
If a tree falls and no one hears it - yadayadayada.... A military coup is still a military coup even if I don't like the dic that got tossed. Obama has picked badly several times so far in Egypt, supporting the Arab Spring, backing the Muslim Brotherhood and then Kerry trying to negotiate with El Baradei instead of Sisi - and Kerry is still trying to negotiate to keep the Muslim Brotherhood in power. LOL!!! So finally we get a position. A coup should have been declared on July 4, 2013 and US support for the Egyptian Military should have ended the day that Morsi was deposed. I guess that puts you in the minority of the Republican party, depending upon the day of the week. Of course, in other republican circles that makes you a jihadist terrorist. But I wouldn't worry, I'm sure ol' saint will make an exception for you. As long as its anti-Obama its all good. LOL!!!
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Post by dot on Aug 21, 2013 16:46:13 GMT -7
Your such an ass - The Foreign Assistance Act, was passed in 1961 by JFK. The issue at hand is a WH that picked the wrong side and provided several billion dollars to that regime.... and now, can't figure out what to do about the whole mess. The Egyptian Citizens are pretty clear on their feelings regarding the WH's support of Morsi and the MB.
Yes the Muslim Brotherhood is bad. Morsi is double plus bad. Egypt got boned severely. The Egyptian Military has taken a bold step to get rid of a very bad situation, but by definition it is still a Military Coup - even if I like the side that set it up.
At the end of the day, the US is a country of laws. If you don't like the laws, then you go back to Congress to amend or repeal them. You don't sit in the WH and pick and choose which laws you like and which ones are inconvenient. Next thing you know, we'll have a President who signs death warrants on US Citizens who have not been charged with any crime.... oh, wait.
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Post by Saint on Aug 22, 2013 8:49:46 GMT -7
If a tree falls and no one hears it - yadayadayada.... A military coup is still a military coup even if I don't like the dic that got tossed. Obama has picked badly several times so far in Egypt, supporting the Arab Spring, backing the Muslim Brotherhood and then Kerry trying to negotiate with El Baradei instead of Sisi - and Kerry is still trying to negotiate to keep the Muslim Brotherhood in power. I never thought I'd agree with something you posted but I agree that Obonzo picked badly, Morsi is a dic, backing the MB was a monumental mistake, ( and shows Hussein's true colors), and Kerry is an Obonzo puppet. however I can't find any referrences to THAT part of the foreign assistance act calling to end aide because of a coup, so I will take y'all's word for it. ( the document is 507 pages and I don't feel like reading it.) as far as the republicans calling for the aide to be stopped, it is spearheaded by two of the biggest rinos out there. McCain and Graham two major idiots. McCain and Graham never acknowledged the killing of Christians and the destruction of 30 plus churches, nor the torture of nuns...they are making the Muslim Brotherhood out to be the good guys. New York Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel said he was “very unhappy, obviously, with the crackdown,” but argued that “we essentially have two choices in Egypt” and the Muslim Brotherhood is not a valid choice. and I have to agree with him. this is a case of the lesser of two weevils ( ha ha ), but seriously the Egyptian military has been a bulwark of stability between Egypt and Israel. We need that stability again, especially in light of the 300+ rockets being fired from Sanai into Israel since Morsi took over.
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Post by YadaYadaYada on Aug 22, 2013 9:07:45 GMT -7
LOL!! I'm in the right company then. Don't worry little darlin, I know all about the law. I also know that every administration bends it, and whether one gets on a soapbox about it has more to do with their political point of view than any unwavering respect for law and order. It was a nice speech though.
The White House recognized the president chosen by the Egyptian People in a free election. That was Morsi. The US has continued to provide money to Egypt: because we have spent that last 200 years or so going around the world championing democracy and fighting those that would try to oppress the will of the people militarily regime; because if we cut off funding they would get it from Russia or someone worse; because they control the Suez canal; and because most of that money is to pay US contractors. (Don't beleive me, read what all the republicans who voted not to cut off funding said). If the Egyptian citizens don't like that, they shouldn't have elected Morsi --the US certainly didn't tell them to do that. Any boning Egypt's citizens got was a result of Egyptian behind them. Blaming Obama is just the thing people do when they are out of other ideas.
Case in point. For all the complaining about it being a coup, the Republicans sure don't want to do anything about it (the silence on this particular thread is deafening, in fact). For all your talk about a nation of laws, the Republicans went to a vote in the senate on 7/31 to cut off funding because its a coup and guess what, they almost unanimously shot that down. (Is that who you want us to go to to amend or repeal the law?). Indeed, the anti-Obama complaint this week is that he might restrict funding to Egypt on the grounds that its a coup. The only position repubs have is anti-Obama. Just like drone strikes, republicans might to the usual complaining, but at the end of the day, they wouldn't do a darn thing differently. LOL!!
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Post by dot on Aug 22, 2013 11:03:56 GMT -7
At the end of the day, US law provides only one solution. It's not a law "only if we don't like the results". Which is the quandary that Washington finds itself in. No matter how much money the US throws at the Egyptian military - who as I understand it, is pro-western in their training and politics - we're out. Other countries stepped up to support the Egyptian military immediately with far and away more funding than we ever offered. The WH is still trying to get concessions from the Military for the MB.
If we get to pick and chose which laws we follow, soon we'll have a Bureaucratic Regulation that says that Congress didn't mean to require itself to participate in Obamacare.... oh wait.
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Post by Saint on Aug 22, 2013 15:08:22 GMT -7
the law says we should cut off aide to the Egypt government, not the military.
OK, I'm splitting hairs, and I don't have a lot to split, but there it is.
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Post by YadaYadaYada on Aug 22, 2013 17:06:09 GMT -7
At the end of the day, US law provides only one solution. It's not a law "only if we don't like the results". Which is the quandary that Washington finds itself in. No matter how much money the US throws at the Egyptian military - who as I understand it, is pro-western in their training and politics - we're out. Other countries stepped up to support the Egyptian military immediately with far and away more funding than we ever offered. The WH is still trying to get concessions from the Military for the MB. If we get to pick and chose which laws we follow, soon we'll have a Bureaucratic Regulation that says that Congress didn't mean to require itself to participate in Obamacare.... oh wait. LOL!! You're so cute, Dot. Yeah, that would be totally outrageous. Not like that time when Liberia's leader started establishing ties with the Soviet Union, China and Cuba and then found himself killed in a military coup only to have Reagan increase funding to Liberia and the military regime that ruled it. Or even that time in 2006 when the Thai military overthrew its elected president. America officially suspended military aid for two years under the FAA until elections were held, but meanwhile continued funding for certain programmes deemed to be in the U.S. interest like counter-terrorism. Or that one time in Chile where the US continued to aid the Pinochet regime after the military coup of Allende. What do all these have in common, oh yeah, enforcing the law wouldn't be in the best interest of the country. Like I said, whether one gets on a soapbox has more to do with their political point of view than any unwavering respect for law and order. LOL!!
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Post by ivymike55 on Aug 23, 2013 20:56:24 GMT -7
NadaNadNada, What are you like 12 or do you have some kind of laughing disorder??
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Post by ivymike55 on Aug 23, 2013 21:42:32 GMT -7
Here's what is going to happen in Syria as far as Obama and the U.S. are concerned. Nothing. Obama has backed himself into a corner. He's pissed everyone of our allies off in the UN and NATO. The UN agreeing to any kind of military action in Syria is out of the question with the Russians vetoing any and all security council actions. Does Obama really want to piss off the Big Bear? Not in his life time . He still wants nuclear weapons reductions. He knows Puten thinks he's a whimp and that Puten would eat him for lunch if he puffed up his chest and acted all Billy Bad Assed. Don't forget Russia has a huge naval base in Syria with a boat load of military personnel, advanced aircraft with plenty of fuel, personnel and weapons and antiaircraft units all over Syria. Russia got mud on their faces when Israel was able to blow the crap out of the Syrian nuclear power plant and greatly upgraded Syria's air defenses. He will never act unilaterally in ordering military action on his own in Syria as he doesn't have a big enough mangina to do it. He's put our military in such a poor position they wouldn't have enough aircraft,personnel or fuel to pull off a "no-fly zone". Forget about any ground pounders. Obama is still shell shocked from his agreeing to the "surge" in Afghanistan and is doing everything he can to get out troops out of Afghansitan so he can cut the military even more. NATO? Even though the NATO Commander is an American General again he's pissed off every country in NATO and THEY know he's lacks any kind of backbone and don't trust his ass. Okay then his only move after attemting to look tough and getting laughed at by everyone in the world will be to ask for more santions that will get vetoed in the UN. His only option left then will be to arm the rebels. Only problem with that is that's it's clear al-Queda, Hezbollah and the Taliban with the help of Iran are running the anti-Assad show. Ask all of the "Free Syria" Commanders and not Muslim enough civilians that are dead at the hands of the aforementioned 3 terrorist organizations how that's working out. So in the end Obama doesn't have the stones to act unilaterally. The UN will be it's usual inept anti-American organization but won't need to be because Russia will veto anything Obama and his know nothing Ambassador throw on the table. He won't have the stones to go directly agaisnt the Russians and our military is in such piss poor shape they couldn't do the mission. Obama knows who's running the show for the rebels now...so in the end nothing will happen. He'll give a lot of speaches and talk all strong but the paper tiger that is Obama will do absolutely nothing.
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Post by YadaYadaYada on Aug 24, 2013 10:39:07 GMT -7
LOL!! You better hope you haven't been getting schooled by a 12 year old for the last couple of weeks. Besides, your creative writing stories are hilarious. I realize stream of consciousness isn't for everyone, but it does maximize the amount of anti-Obama hyperbole you can shove into a paragraph without the need for a complete thought. LOL!!
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Post by ivymike55 on Aug 24, 2013 19:45:52 GMT -7
Nada,Nada,Nada, You schooling ME!!?? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! You're big postings have been "You guys are Obama haters!" You have no substance at all in your posts. Okay now there forum brainiac...tell me where I'm wrong in my post concerning Obozo and what he'll do in Syria. You've never had any kind of worth while knowledge about the military or foreign affairs in your life except that it's always Israel's and America's fault for all of the troubles in the middle east. Remind us what your pseudoname was in the Strelz Forum again?
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