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Post by rosa on Apr 20, 2009 18:49:08 GMT -7
Much is being made of Obama's handshake w/Chavez, and I have to confess, I was a little underwhelmed myself. But, lest any of ye on this forum be tempted, I'm getting in my first giggles on this one
and I already laughed at the Obama cartoon, it was funny.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 20, 2009 19:30:27 GMT -7
Well, I'll tell you what Brown, why don't you let me know when Obama's done something we should be concerned about.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 20, 2009 19:39:13 GMT -7
If there are legit concerns why would you say the "right wing" has run out of ideas? Show me where you've posted one thing critical of Obama.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 20, 2009 19:57:30 GMT -7
Much is being made of Obama's handshake w/Chavez, and I have to confess, I was a little underwhelmed myself. But, lest any of ye on this forum be tempted, I'm getting in my first giggles on this one
and I already laughed at the Obama cartoon, it was funny. Which Obama cartoon? You know, I think the difference is that with the Republicans, we knew whose side the president was, with Obama, we're not so sure. Let's look at some statements made by Hugo Chavez. www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/20/concerns-brewing-obamas-warm-embrace-chavez/
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Post by rosa on Apr 20, 2009 20:11:48 GMT -7
Web, I referring to the "stimulus" cartoon
and, I guess it bears noting that Chavez made those statements. I don't think one party has a lock on partriotism. If you look at the most radical statements made by the "red" leaders in each of those other examples, you'll note that the American presidents didn't much toe the same line
I don't think Obama's doing much different, actually. I'd rather he not do it, but it's diplomacy and civility will matter across the board, when he does what he's supposed to just as when appearances matter, and he screws up
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Post by rosa on Apr 20, 2009 20:14:31 GMT -7
and as for attacking each other, let's remember the blood oaths we all swore just to sign on let's go at the issues and not at each other please, otherwise I'll be forced to cry in my milk because everybody got all unhappy at my ability to finally post a youtube without my computer blowing up
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Post by webrunner on Apr 20, 2009 20:37:37 GMT -7
The right has had a tea party...Mrs. Obama and the Queen touching incident...a handshake and what else? Brown, how about the frikkin' Gawd awful stimulus bill that nobody read and all the Democrats voted for? How about the president taking over General Motors and his (tax cheat) treasury secretary wanting to have a hand in controlling other businesses (do you believe in a free market, Brown)? How about moving control of the national census over to the White House? How about suggesting that war veterans are likely terrorists that need to be watched? How about proposing that combat vets be responsible for their own health care? How about bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia and then lying about it? How about removing the ban on federal funding on stem cells then, what, 4 days later signing that very stimulus bill (that nobody read, including your president) that banned federal funding for stem cell research? I'd say the right has had a lot more than, "a tea party...Mrs. Obama and the Queen touching incident...a handshake." Do you even understand what the tea party was about? Speaking of which I guess the republican party only thought the national debt was an issue when it got to 10,000,000,000,000.00. Before that ...not a peep. Where were the limited government types when the Homeland Security Program came about? Absent! Going right along with the conga line of big spending which has resulted in CITIZENS being reduced to subjects. Even protest (a wonderful american tradition) has become endangered. Where was the right? Where was the left? Silent...afraid to be called unamerican! The main objective of poliscum is to retain their seats and build a powerbase. By all means let's pick sides! Keep on with deregulation! Keep appointing big fundraisers to regulate industry. Let's get some more trade agreements in place! Hopefully we can offshore the entire middle class and they can live in a tarpaper shack with no running water or electricity on the outskirts of some 3rd world country metropolis making the stuff they used to make here for a decent wage. The beauty of this shortsightedness is that they have killed off the very people who bought their products...the American middle class! Oh well...chickens coming home to roost. And what do you suggest be done besides sitting around and complaining?
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Post by webrunner on Apr 20, 2009 20:52:13 GMT -7
He has lowered the USA to the level of Nazi apologists with his not going after those who tortured or ordered torture..or sanctified torture by writing legal opinions. Who're you comparing to Nazis, here?
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Post by rosa on Apr 21, 2009 4:20:40 GMT -7
you both have good points, and frankly, you both are arguing in agreement on some things. Web he's right, he's been after both parties for their hypocrisy before by getting distracted and going after each other, you're going to belittle the validity of your own arguments the comparison to the Nazis takes it too far, and so does the blaming going on here Brown, you propose a third party solution. What guarantees they won't bring the same garbage to the table?
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Post by rosa on Apr 21, 2009 4:37:09 GMT -7
the city council proposes some new changes to the ethics code. good comedy, you guys but I'm afraid to post it on the other thread
shucks, it's funny because they're saying they want to eliminate cronyism...you guys are killing me
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 21, 2009 5:45:22 GMT -7
He has lowered the USA to the level of Nazi apologists with his not going after those who tortured or ordered torture..or sanctified torture by writing legal opinions. Who're you comparing to Nazis, here? I do not think Brown is really saying anyone is a Nazi, just that the argument put forth by the administration for not condemning and punishing those who engaged in torture is tantamount to the "I was following orders" defense. A the ends justifies the means defense.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 21, 2009 9:36:34 GMT -7
Who's being "intellectually dishonest"? I see partisanship in you even where you deny it. You're the one that said the right wing's run out of ideas. So none of their criticisms are valid? Only yours? Spare me.
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 21, 2009 9:40:12 GMT -7
Who's being "intellectually dishonest"? I see partisanship in you even where you deny it. You're the one that said the right wing's run out of ideas. So none of their criticisms are valid? Only yours? Spare me. Web: Were you arguing with our buddy Como I would agree. Brown on the other hand has been a consistent member of the "I hate everyone club". He sometimes attacks the right then attacks the left hell he even doubts independents like me!
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Post by webrunner on Apr 21, 2009 9:48:02 GMT -7
Who's being "intellectually dishonest"? I see partisanship in you even where you deny it. You're the one that said the right wing's run out of ideas. So none of their criticisms are valid? Only yours? Spare me. Web: Were you arguing with our buddy Como I would agree. Brown on the other hand has been a consistent member of the "I hate everyone club". He sometimes attacks the right then attacks the left hell he even doubts independents like me! Anyone who accuses our government of being "Nazi apologists," and speaks so casually of terror suspects as being "guys in our custody" shows their partisan stripe. Just because he's willing to criticize Obama doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 21, 2009 13:36:30 GMT -7
You don't want me to believe you have left-wing tendancies? Let me ask you, are you in favor of this administration prosecuting CIA operatives that used "enhanced interrogation" (or torture according to you guys) on terror suspects? The answer to this will tell me all I need to know about your political leanings. BTW Obama's flip-flopped again and said he's open to this again so he must be your hero now. God forbid the CIA try to proactively prevent terrorist attacks.
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