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Post by matthew on Apr 27, 2009 14:53:34 GMT -7
I'm not willing to recognize a health problem with someone solely based on the fact they weight 400 pounds.
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 27, 2009 14:59:12 GMT -7
OK Boys play nice.
The young lady is skinny - thats all we know for sure. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by matthew on Apr 27, 2009 15:17:55 GMT -7
Play nice? Are you serious?
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 27, 2009 15:20:39 GMT -7
Play nice? Are you serious? Of course I am serious - ask my kids I am always serious.
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 15:42:25 GMT -7
okay I'll be nice but in this case, I have to say that appearances do count and it's not a personal attack against her, per se.
but it is a little on the scary side for me, to see the skeletal so prominent, it's too close to "annie-proud" so to speak and in a pageant whose emphasis is already on appearance...
my kids would have to suck in the gut to look as she does, and they're bony and skinny in build
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 15:56:14 GMT -7
I guess I have to kick in here and say this: no, we shouldn't judge based solely on appearance, she could just be naturally thin, but in looking at the protrusion of bones, it would be artificial to say she "looks" healthy...
it's a fine line sometimes for some women; she may have the healthiest outlook and Matthew has a point in warning against taking it too far to assume the worst. That said, I do have to add that body image and impressionable girls and women are a volatile mix
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Post by matthew on Apr 27, 2009 17:20:37 GMT -7
And you're going to blame this woman for the body image crap? Please.
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 17:35:28 GMT -7
oh, of course not---I get it, maybe THAT'S where some of the discomfort is here? no-no, not at all; not blaming at all I think we all buy into it at one level or another...and a lot of the problem is well documented, well researched and not usually regarded as "crap"
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 17:44:29 GMT -7
I could really stick my neck out and say what I think of beauty pageants but snil said I have to be nice I'm not an activist or anything but I am raising kids and the pressure starts really early-I remember friends in school always dieting to "lose weight" they didn't need to lose
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Post by webrunner on Apr 27, 2009 18:16:09 GMT -7
And you're going to blame this woman for the body image crap? Please. Starving herself concentration camp thin to compete doesn't help.
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 18:37:11 GMT -7
the beauty of idealized images These young ladies are skinny too, but they have muscle here's a wierd question: is there all that much of a difference between what women do here to compete and what fighters do to make weight in a different class-especially if they have to lose weight quickly? they fight and train but the girls do too.... guys....?
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Post by webrunner on Apr 27, 2009 18:46:43 GMT -7
the beauty of idealized images These young ladies are skinny too, but they have muscle here's a wierd question: is there all that much of a difference between what women do here to compete and what fighters do to make weight in a different class-especially if they have to lose weight quickly? they fight and train but the girls do too.... guys....? Not a weird question at all, but the comparison is really apples to oranges. First off, as far as I know, there're no weight classes in a beauty contest. Secondly, fighters cut weight, not by starving themselves thin (when was the last time you saw a skinny fighter), but by dehydrating their body. They don't drink any water or eat anything just before the weigh-in. They'll also do cadio exercise in a sauna to sweat out as much water as possible. In this way, it's possible to loose as much as 20 or so lbs just days before the weigh in. Then, after the weigh in, they usually have like 24 to re-hydrate before the fight. All this I know is from mixed martial arts, I don't really watch boxing. But you cannot really compare these disciplined athletes to beauty contestants.
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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 18:54:14 GMT -7
but dehydrating yourself before a fight is just as stupid, isn't it? you can't realistically regain what you need in just 24 hours; electrolytes alone ....
I know women who do this on top of dieting in order to compete-they use the same principles (come on, women and water weight, please...if that competition comes anywhere near your period, you are going to be doing everything you can )
featherweights are "skinny" but they are lean muscle....huh....
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Post by webrunner on Apr 27, 2009 19:05:21 GMT -7
It's not the same. Not at all. But you do have a point. If a fighter allows himself to be too big before the the weigh in, even if he can cut enough to make weight, he'll still be sluggish and not at his best. Fighting, especially MMA, is tough enough without handicapping yourself like that (beauty pageants, not so tough. ). So there is incentive to stay somewhere close to the right weight, but cutting weight is widely practiced and cutting like 8-10 pounds in water weight just before fights will do no permanent damage to your health.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 27, 2009 19:30:29 GMT -7
Check it out, this is Sean Sherk. He's a light weight in the UFC. now compare
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