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Post by rosa on Apr 27, 2009 21:03:17 GMT -7
sorry
bad example
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Post by webrunner on Apr 27, 2009 21:08:45 GMT -7
No, it was a good question. I'm just such a huge fight fan I happen to know a little about cutting weight. Believe me, I know guys can do dumb things in the name of competition. One word: steroids.
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Post by matthew on Apr 28, 2009 5:25:09 GMT -7
Of the people posting on this thread, only one has refrained from making any comment about the contestant's body. Everyone else has followed the status quo that says human bodies, and especially women's bodies, are always available for public discussion and they should be compared against an unattainable beauty ideal. So whether it's an abundance of concern over someone's health or a circus side-show mentality, the majority is perpetuating the thinking that leads to disordered body image and eating issues. Let's leave the medical diagnoses to professionals.
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Post by webrunner on Apr 28, 2009 6:25:00 GMT -7
She entered a beauty contest. Doesn't that pretty much invite comparison and comment? She's the one who put her body on display to be judged.
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Post by rosa on Apr 28, 2009 6:36:39 GMT -7
Of the people posting on this thread, only one has refrained from making any comment about the contestant's body. Everyone else has followed the status quo that says human bodies, and especially women's bodies, are always available for public discussion and they should be compared against an unattainable beauty ideal. So whether it's an abundance of concern over someone's health or a circus side-show mentality, the majority is perpetuating the thinking that leads to disordered body image and eating issues. Let's leave the medical diagnoses to professionals. I am not implying that bodies are "always available" for critique both you and Web make good points, and I drew the comparisons to fighters precisely because they are men, they are prone to the same temptations just in a different way the perceptions that lead to disordered thinking on issues such as body image are prevalent either way: I understand the logic and in an ideal world, I might even agree but the problem here is that the barn has already burned down. It should be addressed, those of us who have kids need to address it
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Post by rosa on Apr 28, 2009 6:45:22 GMT -7
by engaging in a discussion on this issue, I don't think it necessarily follows that we are arguing for comparing against an ideal at all--I was doing the opposite in calling on the tendency when I posted those videos
and now I am going to seguey into the whole beauty pageant thing-If I were queen, I'd abolish the things. They perpetuate the need to judge others, period
I am not qualified to "diagnose" anyone and my comment on this woman's appearance: "she looks ill" isn't a diagnosis. I'm not a doctor or a psychologist.
But as a parent, I am uniquely qualified to "judge" what is and isn't appropriate for my daughter. If I could teach her that society, the public, have no place in deciding what constitutes good taste, good health and self respect ---a positive sense of well-being
I would do it in a heartbeat
but the problem is this: as soon as my kids turn on the tv, look in a magazine, look at a billboard on I-10, go to school--any time they are granted a view of larger society, they are exposed to images that aren't healthy. I have a very important role in helping them to learn what is good and what isn't
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Post by rosa on Apr 28, 2009 7:24:20 GMT -7
I can understand the argument which says: by discussing it at all, you're perpetuating the mentality, and in a pure sense, it carries weight
but the other side is this: if you don't discuss it, aren't you doing the same thing, in a way?
my kid asked me what a "ni*ger" was not too long ago, he'd read it in a book. I think I posted that here. Once he had the answer, he was quick to point out that calling someone that didn't make sense to him.
yesterday when I picked him up at school, he was angry at a classmate and started telling me why, by first saying: "I'm not saying it has anything to do with the fact that he's black, Mom, but....."
both were opportunities to teach, and so I did. I didn't overlook either one, and to have done so would have been detrimental to his development of a healthier idea of what friendship is
I will be the first to agree that sometimes, it's a very fine line. But I wasn't attacking anyone in saying this young woman doesn't look healthy to me. Heck, I want my kids to understand that posing for strangers in a bikini isn't "healthy"....that life is much more meaningful for you if you can learn that early
and the reality is, someone thought this woman deserved to be a finalist in a beauty pageant
why? was it based upon what is in her head? if so, why are she and the others in bikinis?
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Post by webrunner on Apr 28, 2009 12:40:55 GMT -7
Yeah but it's not like girls can play real sports or anything. Wait. Is cheerleading a sport? ;D
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Post by Tim Collins on Apr 28, 2009 12:58:11 GMT -7
Yeah but it's not like girls can play real sports or anything. Wait. Is cheerleading a sport? ;D My vote is for Gymnastics and Beach Volleyball....oh yeah jello wrestling too
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Post by rosa on Apr 28, 2009 12:58:27 GMT -7
ouch and yes, heck yeah, it's a real sport! The injuries are real enough! here Web, and in case you miss it, the flyers are the girls
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Post by webrunner on Apr 28, 2009 17:22:41 GMT -7
Okay that was pretty good, but here's what I think of when I think of cheerleaders (with a few band dorks thrown in for good measure ). That last one - ouch.
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Post by rosa on Apr 28, 2009 18:14:21 GMT -7
boy you're some kind of evil Web I gotta show that to rory when he gets back hilarious just so you know, we never lost pieces of ourselves, our instruments or anything else, unless it was by design and we never ran into each other like that, although I do remember one flag girl who darn near killed herself because she'd stepped on the corner of her flag, kept jerking it up but couldn't understand why it wouldn't come up....it didn't end well and they did record that
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Post by webrunner on Apr 28, 2009 18:50:44 GMT -7
boy you're some kind of evil Web I do try. just so you know, we never lost pieces of ourselves, our instruments or anything else, unless it was by design Neither did we and we would have kicked you all's as*s had we competed. ;D
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Post by rosa on Apr 29, 2009 3:49:02 GMT -7
boy you're some kind of evil Web I do try. just so you know, we never lost pieces of ourselves, our instruments or anything else, unless it was by design Neither did we and we would have kicked you all's as*s had we competed. ;D Webrunner "we"? you didn't march but one year-you said so somewhere. I was a lifer. You know what we did with kids like you? They played the triangle. ;D Now you really need to sit down and think about this. Pecking order is important, especially where you went to school! Either you were a band "dork" or you weren't. There's no in between, no gradient levels of "dorkdom" here You either aspired and achieved--and played the triangle ;D--or, you joined ROTC ;D *ding*
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Post by rosa on Apr 29, 2009 3:57:22 GMT -7
I remember when we played this arrangement at UTEP. It was fun but Michigan tweaked it, and I always loved it when the brass line got to take over No triangles Web. ;D
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